Ramuh was distinct, in that he preferred to talk. All he wants is to protect his people, the Sylphs, so as long as the races of man do not threaten them, he will not attack Gridania.

As for Shiva, Shiva was a friend of mine, Ysayle. She did not start out as a friend, and summoned the primal into her own flesh, making her a god in mortal form.